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		<title>By: Janna @ The Adventure of Motherhood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janna @ The Adventure of Motherhood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 20:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenn,
Hi, I&#039;m am the the Janna you speak of and I am so glad I found your post. 

It was hard to post my article b/c I knew there were probably better ways to handle it, but at the same time it started a needed discussion. I&#039;m glad you extended this discussion the way you did and incorporated the element of special needs children and the parents who work so tirelessly to care for them.

Your suggestion to ask them &quot;May I help you?&quot; is a good one and might just be something I use later on. I welcome you thoughts b/c no I don&#039;t know it all. She was past the &quot;May I help you?&quot; moment. YOu&#039;ll have to take my word on that one.

The big diff. I see btwn what you describe and what I saw is this. You are trying to restrain an aggressive outburst- That I understand and would seek to help. The mother I saw was threatening and being physically abusive to a cowering, silent, fearful child. 

He first cowered on the ground with his arms blocking her. After her side kick he scrambled to the fence where she put him in an arm lock and he covered his head with his other hand. He obviously thought she was going to do what she said and was responding in fear. He fled to the safety of another in the group once I spoke and she released her grasp on him.

I wanted him to know that while he may have acted wrongly it was still not okay or deserved to be treated like that. So many abused children really believe it is all their fault when they are abused.

Women who commented ran the spectrum of you should have called the police,  do nothing, to great job. Honestly, I&#039;m not sure I like any of those answers, but these things confront us when we are not expecting it and so I started a discussion. 

Many comments have stung but I know being stung can make me wiser in the future. It&#039;s something we should think about before we find ourselves witnessing it and not knowing what to do as I did. 

Let&#039;s say she was having a really bad day and that normally she never acts like that. And truly we all have the potential to act that same way including ME given the right circumstances. If I were the one in her spot, I would (maybe not right away) but later be thankful for someone&#039;s intervention to save me from my self and keep me from lashing out like this at my child.

I didn&#039;t call the police b/c I wanted to believe it was just that- a really bad day. I didn&#039;t want to go to far in my judgement of the situation, but silence didn&#039;t seem to be an option either. 

I&#039;m still not convinced of the perfect reaction to what I witnessed but the discussion has been worthwhile. It&#039;s obvious through the comments section that you encouraged many with your extension to the conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenn,<br />
Hi, I&#8217;m am the the Janna you speak of and I am so glad I found your post. </p>
<p>It was hard to post my article b/c I knew there were probably better ways to handle it, but at the same time it started a needed discussion. I&#8217;m glad you extended this discussion the way you did and incorporated the element of special needs children and the parents who work so tirelessly to care for them.</p>
<p>Your suggestion to ask them &#8220;May I help you?&#8221; is a good one and might just be something I use later on. I welcome you thoughts b/c no I don&#8217;t know it all. She was past the &#8220;May I help you?&#8221; moment. YOu&#8217;ll have to take my word on that one.</p>
<p>The big diff. I see btwn what you describe and what I saw is this. You are trying to restrain an aggressive outburst- That I understand and would seek to help. The mother I saw was threatening and being physically abusive to a cowering, silent, fearful child. </p>
<p>He first cowered on the ground with his arms blocking her. After her side kick he scrambled to the fence where she put him in an arm lock and he covered his head with his other hand. He obviously thought she was going to do what she said and was responding in fear. He fled to the safety of another in the group once I spoke and she released her grasp on him.</p>
<p>I wanted him to know that while he may have acted wrongly it was still not okay or deserved to be treated like that. So many abused children really believe it is all their fault when they are abused.</p>
<p>Women who commented ran the spectrum of you should have called the police,  do nothing, to great job. Honestly, I&#8217;m not sure I like any of those answers, but these things confront us when we are not expecting it and so I started a discussion. </p>
<p>Many comments have stung but I know being stung can make me wiser in the future. It&#8217;s something we should think about before we find ourselves witnessing it and not knowing what to do as I did. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say she was having a really bad day and that normally she never acts like that. And truly we all have the potential to act that same way including ME given the right circumstances. If I were the one in her spot, I would (maybe not right away) but later be thankful for someone&#8217;s intervention to save me from my self and keep me from lashing out like this at my child.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t call the police b/c I wanted to believe it was just that- a really bad day. I didn&#8217;t want to go to far in my judgement of the situation, but silence didn&#8217;t seem to be an option either. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m still not convinced of the perfect reaction to what I witnessed but the discussion has been worthwhile. It&#8217;s obvious through the comments section that you encouraged many with your extension to the conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: The Psychobabble &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sometimes I Feel Bare-Assed, Too</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Psychobabble &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sometimes I Feel Bare-Assed, Too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 01:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on the heels of reading @PrincessJenn&#8217;s response to this post on the Blogher site, and reading Maria Melee&#8217;s post on Aiming Low, I took my [...] </description>
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		<title>By: Aunt Becky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aunt Becky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 22:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My first kid is autistic and I got more than my fair share of &quot;WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT MOTHER???&quot; looks from strangers, then comments from people who knew me about his behavior. It&#039;s been a ridiculously hard road. It continues to be a hard road. There&#039;s no end in sight and you know what? When I see someone out with a child who is being awful, I just give them a knowing smile. They appreciate it. 

xoxo
.-= Aunt Becky´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mommywantsvodka.com/aunt-becky-the-lost-years/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Aunt Becky, The Lost Years&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first kid is autistic and I got more than my fair share of &#8220;WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT MOTHER???&#8221; looks from strangers, then comments from people who knew me about his behavior. It&#8217;s been a ridiculously hard road. It continues to be a hard road. There&#8217;s no end in sight and you know what? When I see someone out with a child who is being awful, I just give them a knowing smile. They appreciate it. </p>
<p>xoxo<br />
.-= Aunt Becky´s last blog ..<a href="http://www.mommywantsvodka.com/aunt-becky-the-lost-years/" rel="nofollow">Aunt Becky, The Lost Years</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: thepsychobabble</title>
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		<dc:creator>thepsychobabble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 23:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@thepsychobabble, just to clarify (because I don&#039;t always explain myself well) I&#039;m by NO MEANS suggesting CPS/cops should be called every time someone is spotted yelling at their child. I meant that if after you step back and think about it for a minute and consider all the points/possibilities that Jenn made above, and still come to the conclusion that the parent is being abusive, THEN, instead of yelling from across the road, and potentially escalating the situation, calling the authorities would be a better option.

And now I&#039;m going to cross the fingers that this came out clearer than my last comment. lol
.-= thepsychobabble´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://thepsychobabble.net/?p=1303&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This Week in Psychoville&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@thepsychobabble, just to clarify (because I don&#8217;t always explain myself well) I&#8217;m by NO MEANS suggesting CPS/cops should be called every time someone is spotted yelling at their child. I meant that if after you step back and think about it for a minute and consider all the points/possibilities that Jenn made above, and still come to the conclusion that the parent is being abusive, THEN, instead of yelling from across the road, and potentially escalating the situation, calling the authorities would be a better option.</p>
<p>And now I&#8217;m going to cross the fingers that this came out clearer than my last comment. lol<br />
.-= thepsychobabble´s last blog ..<a href="http://thepsychobabble.net/?p=1303" rel="nofollow">This Week in Psychoville</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: ally</title>
		<link>http://www.princessjenn.com/2010/04/wheres-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-1994</link>
		<dc:creator>ally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get this.

I remember the first time I heard of Shaking Baby Syndrome. It was well before I had children of my own and I remember thinking &quot;How could anyone do that?&quot;

Then I had a baby with severe colic. Who screamed in my face for 14 weeks, up to 20 hours a day.

While I don&#039;t condone SBS obviously...I do now understand how people reach that breaking point.
.-= ally´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/MyLifeWithThem/~3/weotmppyvhI/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;My Kind Of Day&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get this.</p>
<p>I remember the first time I heard of Shaking Baby Syndrome. It was well before I had children of my own and I remember thinking &#8220;How could anyone do that?&#8221;</p>
<p>Then I had a baby with severe colic. Who screamed in my face for 14 weeks, up to 20 hours a day.</p>
<p>While I don&#8217;t condone SBS obviously&#8230;I do now understand how people reach that breaking point.<br />
.-= ally´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/MyLifeWithThem/~3/weotmppyvhI/" rel="nofollow">My Kind Of Day</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Mandi Bone</title>
		<link>http://www.princessjenn.com/2010/04/wheres-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-1993</link>
		<dc:creator>Mandi Bone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to kiss you for this post. Watch out at Blogher :)
.-= Mandi Bone´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://mandibone.wordpress.com/2010/04/26/trip-report/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Trip Report&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to kiss you for this post. Watch out at Blogher <img src='http://www.princessjenn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
.-= Mandi Bone´s last blog ..<a href="http://mandibone.wordpress.com/2010/04/26/trip-report/" rel="nofollow">Trip Report</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 13:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. First off, I read the story, and wow, all I can say is I agree with you, I have been to &quot;that wall&quot; several times before, but growing up with a father with anger issues I have learned that when it gets to that point, you put the child somewhere safe and walk away. It&#039;s the only way I know how to do it without doing something I know I will regreat, at least until I am able to compose myself. That said, I would never have my child on the ground, kick at them with my foot, but I would threaten a spanking, or &quot;you wait until we get home&quot;. 
I have a child with ADHD, not as bad as some, but there are days where I just want to ring his neck, or scream WTF Why us, but you know what, I love that kid with all my might, and I know he didn&#039;t chose it, just like everyone else who has &quot;situations or SN&quot; didn&#039;t chose theirs either. We as parents are here to support and love our children, but we also need help ourselves when times get tough. 
Sorry to go on and on, but I have to say, as always, thank you for putting something so honest out there. 
And mama, you are such an inspiration, so full of strength and love. Hugs to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. First off, I read the story, and wow, all I can say is I agree with you, I have been to &#8220;that wall&#8221; several times before, but growing up with a father with anger issues I have learned that when it gets to that point, you put the child somewhere safe and walk away. It&#8217;s the only way I know how to do it without doing something I know I will regreat, at least until I am able to compose myself. That said, I would never have my child on the ground, kick at them with my foot, but I would threaten a spanking, or &#8220;you wait until we get home&#8221;.<br />
I have a child with ADHD, not as bad as some, but there are days where I just want to ring his neck, or scream WTF Why us, but you know what, I love that kid with all my might, and I know he didn&#8217;t chose it, just like everyone else who has &#8220;situations or SN&#8221; didn&#8217;t chose theirs either. We as parents are here to support and love our children, but we also need help ourselves when times get tough.<br />
Sorry to go on and on, but I have to say, as always, thank you for putting something so honest out there.<br />
And mama, you are such an inspiration, so full of strength and love. Hugs to you.</p>
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		<title>By: nic @mybottlesup</title>
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		<dc:creator>nic @mybottlesup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 12:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jenn, WOW... i&#039;m so glad you shared that story.  there have been times when i have witnessed situations similar to this one you mention and have wanted to offer to help, but have been afraid to offend the parent. 

once again, going back to the fantastic title of this post... it is such a fine line.  

but because you shared this, i may try to cross it and offer help next time.
.-= nic @mybottlesup´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/MyBottlesUp/~3/DQ-b36KWHt8/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;on your second birthday&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jenn, WOW&#8230; i&#8217;m so glad you shared that story.  there have been times when i have witnessed situations similar to this one you mention and have wanted to offer to help, but have been afraid to offend the parent. </p>
<p>once again, going back to the fantastic title of this post&#8230; it is such a fine line.  </p>
<p>but because you shared this, i may try to cross it and offer help next time.<br />
.-= nic @mybottlesup´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/MyBottlesUp/~3/DQ-b36KWHt8/" rel="nofollow">on your second birthday</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim @ Beautiful Wreck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim @ Beautiful Wreck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 04:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am just now reading this and I am in tears because I could have written this post so easily. I can honestly understand.

I have been there with my normal looking child. I&#039;ve had people call the cops on me and threaten to report me for &quot;child abuse&quot; or something they perceived as wrong with my parenting. Not only do we have the crap we have to deal with at home, but then we get more judgment and accusations heaped upon us by strangers.

Some people just have no idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am just now reading this and I am in tears because I could have written this post so easily. I can honestly understand.</p>
<p>I have been there with my normal looking child. I&#8217;ve had people call the cops on me and threaten to report me for &#8220;child abuse&#8221; or something they perceived as wrong with my parenting. Not only do we have the crap we have to deal with at home, but then we get more judgment and accusations heaped upon us by strangers.</p>
<p>Some people just have no idea.</p>
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		<title>By: nic @mybottlesup</title>
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		<dc:creator>nic @mybottlesup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 02:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jenn, i am unbelievably grateful for our organic relationship and the honesty behind it all.  i am grateful for simply knowing you and having you in my life.  

and reading this post of yours, caused me to find a whole new respect for you that i did not even realize existed.

you truly are an amazing mother who gives not only motherhood, but womanhood a good name.

i&#039;m proud to be your friend.
.-= nic @mybottlesup´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/MyBottlesUp/~3/DQ-b36KWHt8/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;on your second birthday&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jenn, i am unbelievably grateful for our organic relationship and the honesty behind it all.  i am grateful for simply knowing you and having you in my life.  </p>
<p>and reading this post of yours, caused me to find a whole new respect for you that i did not even realize existed.</p>
<p>you truly are an amazing mother who gives not only motherhood, but womanhood a good name.</p>
<p>i&#8217;m proud to be your friend.<br />
.-= nic @mybottlesup´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/MyBottlesUp/~3/DQ-b36KWHt8/" rel="nofollow">on your second birthday</a> =-.</p>
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